System Science and Social Science

Some ideas stirred up by the concept Enigmanity, by James A MacRae.

"Enigmanity's principal goal is based upon the hope that a logical scripture can be devised by humanity to translate well known common scientific fundamentals into a scripture analogous to the Abrahamic holy books but without the massive reliance upon the "faith" mythology of Creation. These holy books are human memes developed over the eons by humans."

This is my own general goal - to "translate well known common scientific fundamentals into" a body of knowledge that can guide humanity in ALL aspects of its relations with reality. System science is instrumental in this endeavour.

Re: the article Physics of Society:,13026,1133229,00.html

The idea of a "physics of society" is leading in the direction of what many people call "system science" or 'cybernetics'.

Any systematic scientific domain studies the systems that fall within its scope but they do not explicitly conceptualise them as 'systems' but rather as particular systems such as 'particles' or 'organisms' or 'voters' and so on.

But due to the generality of the concept of 'systems' one system can be used as an analogy for other systems, e.g. particles representing "people in society" or "cars in traffic" or "nations at war" and so on.

One can either implicitly use the analogies or one can explicitly use system science. One can either study "people in society" as if they were particles, but this can potentially introduce aspects that apply only to particles and not to people. Or one can explicitly abstract the scenario into 'systems' and then study the general relations between them rather than using analogous systems.

The idea of a "physics of society" is a huge step toward "system science" but ultimately I think we should let go of the analogies and start using system science directly. This is seen to be happening in the articles on System Science at EOLSS, which is a major development of UNESCO.

Because of the generality of the concept 'system', once we have a well developed system science this can be applied to any domain, whether particles, people, traffic, nations or whatever - they are all systems! Part of my work is the laying down of fundamental mathematical principles of general systems and system modelling methods that provide a coherent mathematical foundation for system science.

One important application of system science is that all the various scientific domains that study particular systems can be abstracted and redefined in terms of general system concepts thus unifying all the fractured scientific domains. In this way system science can function as an underlying universal scientific conceptual language that can help translate concepts from one domain to another.

Related Links:

What are Cybernetics and Systems Science?

International Society for the Systems Sciences

Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems (EOLSS)
(based upon system science and extending into all aspects of relevance to life on earth)

In particular see this collection of interesting articles on System Science at EOLSS that hint at the utility of system science.

International Institute for Systemic Inquiry and Integration

The General System

Systems theory - Wikipedia

Understanding General Systems Theory


What is Systems Theory?

Portland State University - Department of Systems Science

Journal of System Science and System Engineering

Centre for Systems Science

School of Systems Science

encyclopedia of complexity and system science

AMSS English Version

Systems Science, Masters, FGPS

Mathematical System Modelling Links:

General SMN Related Documents

Modelling Systems (SMN Intro)

Letter of Introduction to Scientists

Letter of Introduction to Software Developers

Finite Discrete Information Systems

Overviews of my Work:

Overview of my Work

The Scientific Basis of my Work

General Introduction (To the overall ideas on my website)

A Clarification on the Fusion of Occident and Orient

Process Oriented System Modeling or Process Systemics

Long Discussions on the Overall Ideas:

Information Systems Analysis of Mind, Knowledge, 'the World' and Holistic Science

Some links on system theory from the above essay:

Some links on general system theory from the above essay:

A Conceptual Bridge from Science to Spirituality